I appreciate you guys coming to to to spend some time with us. Well turn it over to lead to start us off.
Well, good evening, everyone. i'm coming from the denver airport, so if it gets a little noisy in the background, I apologize.
I'll mute myself as soon as i'm finished talking, but I wanted to welcome everyone to to the meeting
The purpose of this meeting really is to allow the 8 year leadership not only the Vrt leadership, but the leadership of the International Association to just to listen to the members and to the field
Before we take any action or make any type of response to
This situation that's occurring and we definitely Wanna listen carefully to the official statement that A.
Cvr. Ep. sent out this past weekend about the Ot certification, and we really want to explore the issues through just a summary of the main concerns and themes that were presented and the list served discussions over
the last couple of weekends. the agenda for this evening.
Is is pretty straightforward. first off we'll have a welcome and introduction of our A.
A. E. R. T. division leadership. then members of the division leadership will present a summary of the list serve concerns and questions.
At that time we'll open up the chat box for comments from attendees.
Followed by that I will read a cdrap's official statement, and then we'll start talking about next steps, and where we go from here.
Just a couple of bits of housekeeping before we get too far into the meeting.
Comments that maybe posted in the chat. you can make your com poster comments in the chat when we open up the chat later on in the meeting.
If you have any concerns that you would like to share with the Vrt leadership anonymously, or if you have something that you would prove preferred to present in more detail, please feel free to email me at Lee
at A. E. R. B. v R. g and I guess the overall concerned this evening, and we just want to make sure that we're respectful of all parties, as we're discussing this this evening quite personal but we
just want to be professional in our our discussions and so I believe i'll turn it over to Tina, hey?
Everybody. we're currently 2 slides forward are we able to move the slides i'm sorry. No, Oh, no!
If you could go a little farther, actually we're on slide 5 beautiful, and on the slide Prior.
Oh, sorry back to slide 5. Thank you. The slide Just before this. Everybody will have access to this.
But Lee's email addresses posted on this slide before just in case anybody needs that.
My name is Tina Laffer, and I just wanted to take a second to introduce everybody who will be speaking today on the call.
You just heard from Dan he's the chair of the C. V. R. T.
Ae, or division. You heard from Lee, who is the executive director for aer?
Thanks for joining us from the for Airport You'll hear from myself my Name's Tina, and i'm the social media strategist for the Cvr and t division leadership you'll also be hearing from
Polly Abbott, who is a Cvr. T.
And you actually will not be hearing from John today. But John is a member of the division leadership.
He is our secretary of the Board. next slide, please.
So this is yours, Dan. Actually, we're gonna be here from Dingham.
Thank you tina so i'm i'm gonna take a quick moment here, just to kind of give a historical sketch of where we're at
So we're here to talk about the recent vote that took place with the Ac.
Vrap board related to the creation of a a specialization certification for ots.
And I we, we have heard concerns and lists or that that people weren't aware of the process and what was going on, and so forth.
So just to give a historical sketch of of how we've come to this point.
On the slide that's portrayed here and and we're gonna be posting this slide to the Vrt division page.
So people can reference this later if they'd like to but for the past year and a half 2 years.
It. it's no secret that the aging envision last National Coalition has been looking into ways to address the the shortage of vision professionals in the field, and in several of the access to
quality services, presentations that took place in the fall and spring of this last year.
The idea of drawing upon the professional occupational therapy to be able to address the the growing needs of an aging population.
Several times in towards the winter. there had been a note about a new program that was being developed at the University of Alabama Uab that was going to provide some additional training for occupational therapist to have
you know, additional efficient rehabilitation training
And this this had raised some questions in the ACD Rap subject matter.
Expert committee for Vrt. we're just gonna refer to that as the Sme moving forward here and so the question have been raised, and that ac very few was considering.
This is a possible track there'll be a separate track for ot's, and so kathy Zider did meet with the the Sme.
And and discuss this in in the late spring. and then after that there was some concerns that were expressed, and the Cvr. T.
Representative on the board of a Southernary P. requested
Our subcommittee that was on category, 2 and and and for those who don't know category 2 is an alternative track for someone to become a Vrt.
It was suspended several years ago, because hadley no longer wasn't an accredited institution, and much of the training that was being drawn on in an accredited fashion was coming from had the and we've been investigating as
an Sme ways to reopen that category to track for quite a while.
So the representative for Cvrts on the board had requested a letter from the the subject matter.
Expert committees subcommittee on Category 2 to to share information about what a viable track for category 2 might look like for an occupational therapist as well as any concerns that the sme would have and
that letter was provided and shared with the Board at that time in July of this year, at the aer conference a resolution was brought before the business Committee or the business meeting at A. E.
R, and it was geared towards comparing, the the fields of occupational therapy and vision rehabilitation therapy to see where the crossovers were.
To identify. You know how, something like a category track could be developed to provide, to use the opportunity to add on Vrt.
Without repeating anything that they might already have. That resolution was brought before the the floor
And was amended to not only address visionary invitation therapy, but all the other certificates that we have, as well as you know, the occupational therapists could be a viable
recruitment path to help address the need not only for Vrt.
But other potential certificates as well. And so the resolution to create a task force to address that was passed.
And is currently being considered by the board of directors. at a er the next meeting of the board of directors is going to be on October 20 eighth, and and we'll find out what happens with that
resolution at that time following that resolution the ac vap Board of directors did meet, and they did vote on whether to pursue a a separate certification for occupational therapist.
And it was passed, and on the 20 I think it was the 20 s the Cvr. T.
Sme was was informed by Kathy Zider, and then
The following week at the aging envision last National Coalition, it was announced there as well that the the vote had been passed, and then, on the first of October, that was when a milt was posted to the
list. Serve Which is what brings us here today?
And so if we go to the next slide so as a as a Vrt Division leadership
When the the concerns were being addressed in the list.
Serve One of the questions was, where does aer stand on this?
And so as your division leadership we are here today to address.
That this issue to make sure everybody knows the history behind it and where we're at right now.
And one of the concerns that was raised in the list service that that brts are feeling like the concerns they're raising are are not being heard or not being regarded.
And so our goal tonight. as a division leadership is to share with you what we've what we've heard from list serve we've we've taken the concerns and been raised in the list serve we've
categorized them, and we're going to present them tonight. and so that you know that that you your concerns have been heard.
These concerns will be collected and shared
With Lee to to talk to the ar board and they will talk with Kathy's eider, and the concerns will be addressed. and you know each 1 one by one will be will be here taken care of and addressed to make
sure that that all the concerns have been heard. we are going to open up the chat, and we asked the chat.
Try to remain quiet during this presentation. because all of us who use voiceover
When the chat happens a lot of the time We have a hard time hearing the people who are speaking.
So we ask that people not be typing in the chat.
Until we open up the chat for people to to express any additional concerns that they didn't see reflected tonight, or any questions they have that they would like to have answered by ar by a Cvr Ip and then
we're gonna we're gonna talk further after that about some other things that can happen on the on the screen right now. There, there's a couple of statements.
This comes from the post that I did in the list, or that this topic is emotional, because we all care very deeply about the clients we serve.
We, we care about them, receiving the best possible service they can receive.
And that is true not only for us as brt's i'm i'm also a comm I I i'm very passionate about the provider services that comes I was a teacher that visually impaired I know my
occupational therapist colleagues feel exactly the same. And
And so tonight, as we're talking we just want to acknowledge the fact that the vote that accelerated we believe, was made in the best possible place that that they're not being malicious in the
vote that we are, all trying to seek to address the the the very real need that exists in the field.
For the older population. here in in our here and across the world.
And so we're all trying to get to the same place and So as we as we meet tonight, many of the concerns that you're gonna hear reflected from the lists would probably sound like they're coming from the mouth of occupational therapist
actually, because we all are concerned about our clients, and making sure they receive a great possibility as possible service.
So please, tonight keep that spirit in mind as we're talking that we're collaborating we're working together.
But we we do wanna make sure that the concerns that that the Rt.
Community has are heard and are addressed and so That's why we're here tonight. So I will pass on now to Polyantina, who are going to review the concerns that we have seen in the list serve
and again, these are the the the opinions of of the community.
And and we just wanna make sure that they are that are herd so i'll pass on to you guys
Next slide. And Tina poly alright. so we're gonna start off with Pauling just reading the summary of concerns from those who have contributed on the list.
Serve. Can you go to the next line, please? Awesome, clarifying statements
Can you get off me? Are you able to get off from your poly?
No, and Michelle
Okay, why don't you go for tina always not in hey?
I'm unmuted, there we go hey?
Thank you. So i'm just going to read through these statements and a lot of them are, you know, just general statements that we have been gathering from the list.
Serve so Generalist otis and by that We're referencing to Ots, who don't possess any other sort of additional certifications for working in the blindness Field Generalist.
Ot do not possess the skills to appropriately serve people with blindness or low vision.
However, Vrts also have the training to support clients with many additional health and disability issues.
So collaboration between Ots and Cbrts is logical.
Generalist Otis are currently already working in the field in positions that are often for Cbrts, comms.
Tv eyes and Clv teams, and we know that recruitment into the blind rehabilitation field is a challenge, and that this is often due to a lack of awareness of the existence of vision rehabilitation
professionals next slide, and although sebrts and ots both hold masters level degrees, salaries for ot's are frequently higher.
Most employers we know do not require a Cvp.
Certification. The Va, however, does require certification, and Oates, working with veterans, are A. C. V. R. E. P.
Certified vision. Rehabilitation professionals are not easily found by individuals, as we know, due to lack of awareness in the medical field
This next slide is just some questions around, you know. Is there motivation for certification?
You know, Ots should have a way to recognize achievement of specialized knowledge.
The aota. The American Occupational Therapy Association has cancelled the Sc.
Lv certification that used to exist. to give that specialized certification for working with patients with low vision apparently only about a 100 Ots ever took advantage of.
That Another point is about the employers, you know. if employers do not require a Cbp certification, what is the motivation for any graduate to seek it or maintain it?
Otis have been able to obtain Selvt certification for years.
Now, both Clvt and O. M. currently have category.
2 paths to eligibility. but this has not translated into increased numbers of more Clvt's than Cbrts.
So how do we know? this new certification will be desirable?
And Tina, hey? alright. So now we're gonna talk about some of the concerns from the field This is some some that Nope that we read and picked up from the list of currently there's not enough certified professionals
to serve the clients that we care so much about optimally.
The certification process is costly for both Ac. v. rap, and for individuals that are seeking to gain and maintain more than one or just one certification.
The beginning, Salaries are generally not high enough to make the vision rehab profession very attractive.
Employers generally did not recognize or value certified employees over non certified employees, or even staff, without formal education.
Or agency trains in the scope of practice of the Rt's is increasingly performed by other professionals that are working outside of their scope of practice, due to the pressure from the employers
And so the development of a new category of certification represents a significant cost to Ac.
Vary, p and really have the numbers of ot's interests been substantiated, and will or be enough to recoup all these expenses.
If Ots do not choose Acv or Ep certification, what will the impact on current certificate, you know, certificate holders as Acv or Ap.
Tries to balance the budget in the coming years, and the new certification will create an unnecessary duplication of professions.
So clients do not deserve, or clients excuse me, do deserve the highest quality of specialized services, and the standard has already been identified by Ac.
V. The client who needs a Vrt. yet is absurd served by a professional that's not fully a Vrt.
Is not receiving the highest quality service that they deserve.
So what are some of the possible impacts on brts and others?
There could be further confusion for the medical field, and employers on scope of practice of Vrts and other professions.
If more employers continue to hire Ots and preference to the Rts.
Then fewer clients will come in contact with Vrt's and thus have acts. you know, have less access to Braille in our specialized approach and staff dollars to support both A. Cvr.
And T. Cv. R. T. and an ot may cause employers to fill positions with Ots, leaving no rooms for Cvrts Well, the higher cost of an ot salary.
This could keep blindness. professional salaries unattractively lower, resulting in a ripple effect of humor.
Cvr tease cons and Tv eyes entering the field.
Sorry it's late here on the east coast next slide and It's Polly's turn
Thank you. So some concerns just about how the process arriving at this vote we're also expressed when we looked at the composition of the Ac. V Re.
Board brts are underrepresented. There is one Vrt.
On the board, and this is You know you're underrepresented in comparison to the numbers of the other certifications. Vrt's also do not have a board member that is on the subject matter expert
committee. So we wonder how this would impact the voting if that Board member was not also participating in conversations on the
This meet we know that stakeholders such as aer were not part of a Cvr.
Eps process was the Ac. vary piece. Me and other related sneeze permitted to fulfill their assigned rules on the Acbr Ap. website.
It states that the role of this me is to continuously review and record further development of the academy's, professional standards and certification eligibility, criteria.
So, although these concerns are are mostly structural and procedural, they are straightforward, and it is to everyone's benefit.
As we know, living in a democracy to have equal representation and transparent communication
So this next slide is the document is being shown up on the screen that Acv.
Or a P. sent out just a few days ago, and this will be discussed by Lee
Hey? do you mind reading this? they're about to start announcing a gate right here beside me, and it's gonna get really loud.
I'm sorry, thank you, Lee. thank you go go ahead Tina.
Sure you're right i'm not gonna be looking at my screen i'm looking at a different screen, so it's large enough for me to read alright, so ac vp announced that it is developing an
in-depth certification for licensed and registered occupational therapists and the blindness and low vision.
And it was broken up into different sections. First is why all people who are blind or low vision deserve to receive services from highly qualified professionals to ensure that they have the skills needed to be independent and to be engaged in family
and community life, regardless of the age at which they lose their site, and where they live in the world.
Why, now, by 2030, 15 million Americans, 65 years and older, will need access to quality, to quality services for blindness or low vision in order to live optimal, optimally full lives worldwide.
The challenges greater with an estimated population, need by 2050 of 61 million people living with significant vision loss.
Think about someone you know who's over 65 your mother, your grandmother, or a friend who will need to learn how to live with blindness or low vision.
If action is not taken. Now, most of these individuals will not be able to obtain vision, rehabilitation services because they are not enough well trained quality professionals who can help them maintain their independence for services to be available to
this growing population of individuals, we must expand the number of quality service providers.
Action is needed now to meet this lead. at the end of September, 2022.
There are only 593 certifying division rehabilitation therapists in the United States, and many are not currently practicing, but are in administrative positions.
Retirements have been offsetting new certificates in the past 20 years.
The number of Cvrts has only grown by 11% in total.
The growth rate of the Clv. T. is higher, but there is still only 456 C.
Lvts in the United States, developing a new certification to embrace and expands field of vision, so expands the field of service providers.
To meet the growing need is not replacing any of the existing professionals or their certifications, but rather expanding the number of professionals qualifying to provide fish and rehabilitation.
So how will this be achieved? Ac Vary. P. uses the tool of certification to advance professional competency When a new certification is launched, Ac.
Vary ping forms a subject matter. expert committee to develop the scope of practice, establish quality standards through certification, criteria, establish a code of ethics, and develop a rigorous certification exam before
certification criteria are finalized. They are posted for a 30 day public comment period that will include other vision, rehab and education professionals as well as consumers.
This process takes 18 to 24 months. So what are we doing?
We are expanding the number of people who have access to high quality services by launching a new certification for occupational therapists, working with adults, with blindness or low vision, blindness and low vision can impact anyone people with blindness, or
low vision often have other medical issues in addition to vision loss requiring services of an occupational therapist.
These may include traumatic brain injury, dementia, diabetes, stroke, arthritis, and Parkinson's.
Among other medical conditions, Ot, with in-depth specialty, training and blindness and low vision, builds on their ot scope of practice by using a holistic approach to evaluate and provide rehabilitation to
adults with blindness or low vision, taking into consideration There are other medical needs.
Ot's work within the medical system, and therefore a much more likely to intersect with people who are blind or lobbying, especially in the aging population.
The new certification will provide a means of determining which Ots have the in-depth knowledge and training to provide quality services to effectively meet the rehabilitation.
Need of individuals with blindness or low vision. Finally, ac vary piece commitment remains committed to the group of all certifications, and will continue to work.
Diligently with all subject matter, expert committees in the field to promote recruitment and certification of those who provide services to individual individuals who are blind or low vision worldwide
Okay, thank you, Tina. So at this Point we would invite what what we've done so far as we've reviewed the concerns that were raised by the Vrt.
Community on the list on the vrt list serve and we've reviewed the history as to what's brought us to this point.
In in an effort to try to make sure that all the vrts are, where, what?
What's happened Not everybody's connected to the list serve these are the concerns on the list.
And these concerns are going to be collected together and we're gonna be shared. they're gonna be shared with Lee.
He's gonna put together a collection of these concerns and he's going to.
I go, go to the board meeting on the 20 eighth and then also connect with Kathy'sider to address the concerns that were raised here.
If you know we that those concerns were raised prior to the official statement from the Ac.
Very peep board which has now been read to us.
And so at this point we're gonna open the chat and please, if if there are additional questions that you don't feel the official statement addressed, or answered, concerns that that were raised if they weren't
addressed by the the official statement you can post them in the chat, or you can email them to Lee at his email address that was earlier posted there. If you want to be anonymous.
Likewise you can email them to me. if you want this to be anonymous.
My email address is Daniel Dot Norris at Umb.
Dot Edu that's the email address, i'll be using to address those concerns because it's easiest to say, Vv.
Is my other email address, and nobody knows what initials are.
So Daniel dot Norris at you and the Edu, you can email me and and I will collect your concerns as well.
So again in the chat. Now feel free to to be posting questions, concerns things that you don't feel were addressed, or that you think that we missed from the list.
Serve, and then in a moment we're gonna move forward to the next slide, and we're gonna talk about where we go from. here. but we'll give you a few moments here to to post to the chat and that
way people with voice over in their ears aren't gonna be to to distracted when i'm talking and and all this post are happening. So feel free to post for a few minutes or a couple we'll give like a minute
30 s something like that for you guys to to time
We should have had some music that could play right
Okay, if we can move on to the next slide i'll i'll continue talking a little bit, and if people don't want, you know, you can reference the chat or you can hit control.
To stop hearing the chat if you have voice over on right now.
But so what we do now let's go on to the next slide
And so, as was stated earlier, in in the official statement from Ac.
Vrap this is gonna be an 18 to 24 month process in which a subject matter expert committee will be organized to create the body of knowledge and the scope of practice.
And the standards that would be for the new certification.
And at the time that that certification is prepared there will be an open public comment period.
For those of you, who read my my response in the the they list, or you know, if any public comment period is open for a Cv. Ap. all of us, regardless of our certifications, should carefully look at what's being
shared and we should provide feedback that's constructive for the betterment of the field.
And so that's one thing that certainly you know all of us should do
The other thing is that you know we we don't know what this is gonna look like we don't know we we don't know what the official acronym is going to be at this point either this is
a a separate certification. it it is not
It does not replace cbrt or clients.
And so we, as a field as a profession, continue to to need to move forward, and there are numerous opportunities that we can be addressing right now.
That would strengthen our field, not only for us, but for everybody.
And and so you know these these are some of the suggestions that were put into my post that I've been on the list, or we're trying to revamp the website for the division 11 web page So that there's
a central repository for people to come to for quality, content to help them in their field.
And we we welcome any additions to that at this time.
The functional independent living assessment it is currently being trialed is it's an assessment tool.
If you haven't heard about it, that would actually be the first reliable tool for vrts as we don't have a standardized assessment tool This is something that needs to have trial
testers and kendra farrell from the Yb.
Tech has created this tool when is looking for individuals to test this tool in the field, so that we can have a standardized tool that would really immensely help us to have that tool in place.
Likewise I it's not the list here but the vision Serve Alliance has the rehabilitation survey outcome the Rso.
That needs to be trial for adopting. You know this to show that vision rehabilitation services from any rehabilitation service.
Provide positive outcomes. and the vision serve. Alliance is looking for testers for that as well.
Right now. we're we're currently looking to create a manual that'll be a standardized manual for all the different professions for for all the different universities, so that when you as a brt are
mentoring an intern. You have one mentoring handbook that you have to worry about.
Not one from each of the 5 universities in the Us.
And and the one in Canada. so that you know what to expect.
So we have a a tool that can be used across the the
The board. we are, are we are looking to as a such matter expert committee to try and and open a a viable path for category.
2 not only for related service providers to be able to to add on vrt, but also that
Those who are currently not certified as brts and maybe don't have master's degrees, or and don't have bachelor's degrees.
I would have a way to to obtain certification after years of working in the field, to be able to to receive that certification, and and
Have a path to certification. that's outside of the traditional model next page next slide hashtag recruit Cvrt is an initiative between a Vrt and Aar that
needs participants. that you know it's it's a grassroots effort to try to raise awareness about our field, and the good good work that we do, and we need people to be confused submitting to it so if you'd like to know
more information about that. you can reach out to us the swat team, and that's just a term that got adopted, and we never got rid of.
Was a stand, and it's a process called that reviews the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats.
That that committee presented at aar in July on the survey that was done about brts and we're gonna be presenting it at A Vrt.
As well on on what happened at a aer. The feedback from this tonight is gonna be shared with the Swat team as well.
And the goal here is that we we need to as a field develop a unified 5 year plan for us to be able to.
To expand the opportunities for personal prep to expand the opportunities for certification as vrts and And so we'd we'd love feedback and and and help the community, and developing that
because, we are far too fragmented as a as as a as a profession, as brts.
And and if I need to to unify in in our approach.
And then the last is that the aging vision last national coalition needs more more people helping out, and there's many different numerous initiatives.
There. The the Policy and Funding Committee is looking to create a bill to go before Congress to increase the funding for the older line.
Grant as well as increase the funding for personal programs, and and to try and and establish buildings for
All Acp. Arep certifications to be able to to build for Medicaid and Medicare. initiatives.
There are definitely needed. So if you're wondering what what to do right now.
There's there's all you know there's a lot of opportunities that that we can get involved in, and that we can participate in to strengthen the brt field, and we need all of you to do that
and and we need all all of the certifications working together to do that as well.
And so again we're we're the concerns that were raised tonight.
You know we we will share those. Are there other ideas that you have that can help strengthen the field?
So now we'd like you to post to the the chat.
I I shared some ideas of things that people can get involved in.
Are there other steps that need to be taken right now that you think could help strengthen the field post.
Those into the chat email, those to me or to we.
And and we will collect those and review those and share them with the Swat team as well.
And that can help to advice stakeholders as to ways to support
You know, cvrt's and expanding our opportunities as well.
So go ahead. Take a moment to post a chat At this point
Next slide.
Oh, thank you. I friends with the next side of that. So please post your ideas that you have there, and and and all of the ideas, all of the
Information that shared tonight will be carefully reviewed and discussed as a Vrt division leadership.
And and Lee will share with the board and and Lee and Kathy Zider will be meeting to talk about these things as well.
And then, after the 20 eighth we will be sharing more information with us about.
So what a are plans to do at this point?
And is it I I didn't we didn't have you in the in the slide at this point?
But is there anything else you'd like to share at this point if you're not boarding a plane
Yeah, this is Lee. sorry about that. delay no i'm just really. not really anything to add this evening, but just to let everyone know that we are really open to your comments, and we want to hear your concerns I
will be kathy and I have talked already. we'll be. We will be continuing to talk about this, and as we move forward.
But I do want to have your concerns, so we can address all that appropriately.
Thank you. Okay, I think it's back to you Tina right.
It is next slide, please. Oh, awesome! So for all of you who are in attendance tonight who are part of new aer division, 11 member, or have a membership with the Division 11, our next meeting is going to be held on
November eighth, at 7, 30 Eastern time, and you are more than welcome to join on the screen.
We have a few links. we have a link to the website. so you can sign up to become a division 11 member.
That's something that you're interested in or to see the web page as it's being reconstructed rebuilt and being added to, we also have 2 links one.
To our Youtube channel and one to our Instagram account.
If you are interested in sharing, joining, and collaborating with us in our grassroots efforts to get the word out there about our fabulous fields, and I believe there is one last slide.
Oh, it's just the thank you thank you all for joining us this evening.
We recognize that this was not really the most positive reason that we all got together tonight.
But we're still all together, and I think that is something that it's nice.
It's nice to all be together but it wasn't really 5 star circumstances.
But thank you for joining. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for listening.
Thank you for giving us your time, and really all this information that you're able to give us about your concerns, and your ideas is really important to us.
And yeah, he fighting the good fight. and Thank you.
Thank you, everybody. i'll stay on here a little bit in case there's anything that we need to if anybody wants to to talk to me specifically.
But the the recording can stop now. Thank thank you.
Actually I guess the price should continue while we're getting additional comments and feedback.
Actually, I apologize. Yeah, the there's many posts going into the So I think we should stay on just yeah, noly full rush that way.
So yeah, yeah, take your time. Everybody goesing. We appreciate it.
Roberta Mccall does have her hand raise dan just so you're aware.
Yeah, if you if you could hold roberta we'll we'll we'll we'll finish collecting the comments, and then we'd be happy to talk to you that.
Since we we we weren't having any microphone time for folks tonight.
We'll We'll wait until after to to talk with you that's okay
So the chat is still being contributed to then I didn't see one question that I wanted to saying whatever off mute
Somebody asked, If the chat will be made available after Dan for people to review?
Or are we gonna keep that private? no that'll be that'll be public, Awesome?
Yeah, that was the that was the intention to have in the chat available so that the information could be public.
And and and so what what is put into the chat We will be collecting together and putting along with the the previous information.
I think the comment, though, was asking if it was going to be something that anybody could access themselves.
We're we're we're posting the slide, show and we can set up a a separate document that could be posted along with that.
Sure. The Transcript: Yeah.
And if anybody is is uncomfortable with that, because it is going to be publicly accessible, they can.
They can email any concerns to to myself, or to be
And if anybody is addressing anything to me directly and i'm sitting here not responding to you, it's because I don't.
I don't have voice over turned on my ears right now.
So in in case anybody is directly asking me questions i'm monitoring it, Dan, it's a very fruitful conversation.
Lot of really great information. and ideas. Nothing is directed, or nobody is outwardly saying.
Dan Norris and people are still contributing no Okay, that's good
Should we say at 8 25 just 4 more minutes we'll continue collecting chat posts, and then we'll wrap it up.
I think that's fair. So 4 more minutes for the chat everybody for me 8, 21,
And thank you, everybody, for contributing
Dan, you Weren't called out specifically. but someone wrote no, I just lost it.
Thank you, Dan, in the division leadership for making this form available in the willingness to gather input in ideas.
But I told you i'd let you know if your name sure enough, in the chat.
So there you go. Thank you. I appreciate that
And just a 1 min morning for everybody's 8 24.
So we're gonna go ahead and wrap up at 8 25 like Tina Center, and and certainly don't don't hesitate to get continue to to send ideas or thoughts or questions or you know whatever
whatever's weighing on your mind so you can you can email myself and we and anyone in the division leadership and little, we'll get back to you
And we will copying, and and paste the the chat into a document i'm assuming today you wouldn't mind doing that.
I I i'm assuming a lot of you today that's okay.
I actually don't think that I have the ability to do that I think that is This is Michelle.
Yeah, I'll take care of it. You got that Okay, awesome.
Thank you, Michelle. Yeah. sure. Alright, it is a 20. Oh, sorry.
I was just gonna say, Michelle added lee's email address in the Chat at the very bottom.
So anybody who is looking for it is there. And thank you, Michelle, for being the the tech behind everything Today, Of course, no problem.
Alright, being being there to say 25, we can, I think we can go ahead and stop the recording at this point.